Monday, February 29, 2016

Sunday, February 21, 2016

"Hey Calamity. I've missed you. Sadly your services here are still required!"


Dear Anonymous. It's flattering that you missed the posts on this blog... but I really believe that Sydney Anglicans are not worth the effort. They have used a literal interpretation of the Bible to push themselves into oblivion. Their only appeal belongs with right wing extremists, and  those from  countries, who  treat women as second class citizens, and gays, as criminals.

Anon, as you point out...even the teachers and girls being taught at Anglican Colleges find their doctrine on male headship offensive... How stupid to charge massive school fees to educate women to metaphorically walk behind, and never question their man...no matter how wrong, incompetent or dumb he is!!!!!!



Students and teachers from some of Sydney's Anglican high schools say they are shocked and angered by remarks made by one of the church's most senior clerics.
Before delivering a speech to year 12 prefects during the Annual Service for Anglican School Leaders on Thursday, Archbishop of Sydney Glenn Davies faced a series of robust questions from male and female students about the place of women.
In explaining his view that the Bible says men and women have different roles in society and that God intended men to be the "heads" of women, many present believed he was saying women should not aspire to the same career heights as men.



In my opinion...the diocese is a waste of space. As far as I'm concerned the diocese has been built on faulty prejudicial doctrine, which has failed to stand up over time, so the diocese's only way of coping, to use litigation practices, and name calling, to maintain it's prejudicial stance.




And to the other Anon....David Ould gets off on bashing gays. Seriously...he's a man with a big mouth and a massive ego, who has an opinion on everything. He loves gaining notoriety from being divisive, and he cannot understand that his manner is offensive. He  causes anger in those who have been victims of, or witnesses to, prejudicial abuse, and those who have been coerced into silence, through threats of litigation.
From the words of Peter Jensen said ...in the 1980s the culture in the church was a legal one and not a moral one.






Wednesday, February 10, 2016

Meet the Jensens

Peter Jensen ...a man who didn't know that sexual assault, let alone that threatening a victim with litigation for disclosing the abuse,  held long term damage for the victim 





Mrs Christine Jensen awarded Medal (OAM) of the Order of Australia, “For service to the Anglican Church community in Sydney”, including her many years of encouragement to women of the Moore College family and through Mothers’ Union.... This is a woman who help develop a strategy to sustain gender inequality within the church. She began the Equal but Different group that promoted male headship within the church. This woman was appointed as the head of woman's ministry, by her husband Peter Jensen.








Phillip Jensen, the former Dean who was also appointed during the time of his brother's  reign as Archbishop.. and Phillip's request below...says it all!







Me a Jensen!!!!! ...I may be a self serving right wing extremist...but I'm not financially incompetent!







Former Sydney Anglican Archbishop Jensen says that sexual assault victims have taught him so much!!! He never knew that sexual assault has lasting psychological effects on the victim...especially when the victim discloses and is threatened with litigation...Speaking of litigation...did David Ould post something about this on his blog?





THE former Anglican Archbishop of Sydney has apologised to a victim of sexual abuse and admitted the response of the church to his allegations was wrong.
A witness, given the pseudonym BYC, has told a hearing of the Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Abuse in Hobart he was abused on multiple occasions by a member of the Church of England Boys’ Society when he was a teenager in Sydney during the late 1970s and 1980s.
Bishop Jensen told the commission the church had failed to deal with the allegations of abuse victims and their aftermath.
“It has been so overwhelming to hear their testimony and to recognise how frequently we failed them,” he said.
“I head what BYC has said about the continued failure and about the way we speak and do not act.
“Again I wish to say to them they have taught me so much.
Bishop Jensen said that in the 1980s the culture in the church was a legal one and not a moral one.
“I believe it was under advice, but I believe it was quite wrong,” he said.
So is that why Robert Tong was given an Order of Australia


BYC’s mother also gave evidence this morning, saying the abuse had ruined her son’s life.
“I had no idea about the abuse while it was occurring,” she said.
She told the commission she met with Archbishop Peter Jensen in 2002 to tell him about her son’s case. The archbishop subsequently apologised to BYC in person.
But she said a church lawyer later warned her that if BYC pursued compensation “the church’s barristers will come out guns blazing and tear strips off you”.
She said the damage caused to her son by the abuse had been compounded by the unsympathetic response and inaction of the church.
Richard Kells worked with CEBS from 1976 and told the commission he made multiple attempts to raise the alarm about Jacobs but was repeatedly rebuffed by church officials.
He said he was ostracised by some members of the St Ives congregation because of his concerns and left the congregation in 1982.
Them parishioners are such nice fine upstanding people Roseanne.
I don't know Dan...it all sounds pretty abusive to me....It seems like there was a real systemic approach to the abuse of young people, women and gays... all victims of the church's abuse, blacklisting and threats of litigation. ...But how else do you implement God's word!







Saturday, September 5, 2015

Loonpond readers discover Claire Smith and her Sydney Anglican Complementarian views on feminism

 And will Sydney Anglican Complementarian men write to Dorothy and demand an apology?

Dorothy quotes Claire Smith at the Loonpond...If, however, you mean, ‘Is it sexist in that women are inferior to men?’ then it’s not sexist. This is not a statement about worth. It’s a statement about our participation in the congregation and in one limited aspect of what happens in our congregation involving teaching and authority. In fact, not even all teaching, but a particular sort of teaching: the ongoing, authoritative, formal instruction of the congregation. So, it’s saying, ‘Women are to be submissive in that they are not to have a formal teaching role with respect to men in the congregation.’ They are not to engage in that sort of teaching.

...and the readers' responses

7 comments:

  1. Fucking patriachs - all of the one God religions are anti-women. It was when they wrote Lilith - hunter gatherer woman - out of history and replaced her with the gormless Eve - agricultural woman - that the 'original sin' was perpetrated on both men and women.

    From wiki:

    "The idea in the text that Adam had a wife prior to Eve may have developed from an interpretation of the Book of Genesis and its dual creation accounts; while Genesis 2:22 describes God's creation of Eve from Adam's rib, an earlier passage, 1:27, already indicates that a woman had been made: "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them."

    "The Alphabet text places Lilith's creation after God's words in Genesis 2:18 that "it is not good for man to be alone"; in this text God forms Lilith out of the clay from which he made Adam but she and Adam bicker. Lilith claims that since she and Adam were created in the same way they were equal and she refuses to submit to him:[57]

    "The background and purpose of The Alphabet of Ben-Sira is unclear. It is a collection of stories about heroes of the Bible and Talmud, it may have been a collection of folk-tales, a refutation of Christian, Karaite, or other separatist movements; its content seems so offensive to contemporary Jews that it was even suggested that it could be an anti-Jewish satire,[58] although, in any case, the text was accepted by the Jewish mystics of medieval Germany."
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    1. Lilith was most probably a Lesbian, Anon. Explains it all.
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    2. Crap anon, Lilith would have eaten the snake, made sauce from the apple and given Adam a good time and then she could be a lezzie in her spare time if she felt like it. Only the power of property relations explains the conservative women like Eve who survive the patriarchy by sucking up the blame for everything the alpha Adam man chooses to do, like eating the apple she offered him. What a little boy, dog ate my homework type excuse for making the wrong choice? My mother would have said "and if Adam jumped off the cliff would you follow?".

      But here you go; a real life running dog collaborator Eve on RN this morning - of course on the Tom Switzer program - a dinosaur woman who must be Miranda Divines' heroine and source of her wisdom.

      Christina Hoff Sommers says, "But some commentators warn that today’s modern feminism is a corruption of what feminism should be; that feminism is no longer about freedom, it’s just a lobby group for pet grievances. That it's not so much about emancipation; it’s now reactionary."

      But she is in favour of lezzies, listen and weep.

      http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/betweenthelines/fainting-coach-feminists/6746530
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  2. Hi Dorothy,

    It would appear that nowadays the Liberals have two Saviours in their pantheon, God and Coal.

    The question however is how do the creationists among them explain the formation of coal. Thanks to the intertubes we can wonder no longer;

    https://answersingenesis.org/geology/catastrophism/coal-beds-and-noahs-flood/

    A delightful piece of tosh evidently written by a real geologist.

    DiddyWrote
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    1. A classic DW, and the pond is eternally grateful, at least until the twelfth of never, for the link.
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  3. Thanks Claire Smith. Now I know why Xians don't support SSM: they can't tell who the submissive partner is. And now I know why that is so critical to their whole existence.
    Maybe if we offered to wear labels that would resolve the issue? A dress? HIgh heels? I'd do almost anything to marry my partner of 20 years; I'd even be prepared to identify as the submissive one - at least in public.
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    1. I think a Venn diagram might help sort out some of those tricky areas of responsibility between man and woman in Smith's argument.
       

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      David Ould is in a flap again...over the comments of yet another Anglican from Victoria.



      David Ould is in a flap!  God forbid...the bishop of Wangaratta (not Sydney!!!)... Bishop John Parkes...  a former barrister... has told the Chronicle that he believes the country has “grown up” and that the federal government will be bound within a relatively short time to change the Marriage Act to enable people of the same gender to marry.

      David Ould being a true religious fundamentalist...  believes that no one is allowed to have an opinion or speak publicly,  especially if the views expressed,  differ to his views.

      It seems that David is the only Anglican who has the right to publish articles, write blogs, make radio and TV appearances, and endorse these with the acknowledgement of his status as a Sydney Anglican minister.

      Of course...the endorsement of Sydney Anglicanism immediately reminds  the listener, viewer and reader that homophobic and misogynist comments will follow.

      However Bishop John Parks is not a Sydney Anglican so why does David Ould expect Bishop Parks to be stupid and bigoted in his comments?

      Now David ...hard line fundamentalists don't like double standards you know...I'm not sure that the Bishop of Wangaratta was doing anything other than showing some common sense and respect. Just like you...you know when you were on TV ...and Living with the Enemy ... you know ...when you walked in the Mardi Gras ...to show mutual respect for those two gay men ...who you took to your church ...and got them to sit through your sermon ...about the evils of homosexuality.

      You know ...I'm an Anglican who lives in Sydney...and I get  traumatised  when I see David Ould  representing the face of Sydney Anglicanism. .. Muriel Potrter is right when she is quoted in the Wangaratta Chronical as saying... I hope that many more bishops speak out as Bishop Parkes has done because I know that there are a number of bishops and leading clergy in this country who wish to see faithful, loving, monogamous same-sex relationships honoured with marriage,” Dr Porter said yesterday. “If they keep silent nothing will happen.“Silence will just allow hard-line fundamentalists  to dominate the debate.“But if our leading clergy speak up like this, as Bishop Parkes has done, then I would see the church coming in a much more friendly way – and more quickly – to a resolution on this question.”

      Friday, August 28, 2015

      Why does the Diocese of Gippsland have to respond to David Ould? Why does David Ould think he's so important?

       



      David Ould is again whinging about the appointment of Rev Head to another parish. Rev Head is reported to be in a same sex relationship. David criticised and called for the sacking of Rev Head and hounded Bishop McIntyre until he passed away. Now David Ould is turning his attention to Bishop McIntyre's replacement...shock...horror...a woman...Bishop Kay Goldsworthy. He'll be able to blame her decision making on her gender...because David doesn't believe that God created women to preach his word to males.
      David claims that the Diocese of Gippsland has broken rule 7.4  from Faithfulness in Service...You are to be chaste and not engage in sex outside of marriage.
      Well David ...if you and your cronies supported marriage equality and weren't so divisive...then Rev Head would fulfil 7.4. At present marriage is not available to him ...well unless he joins Sydney Anglican Liberty Christian Ministries...so they can cure him by getting him to marry a woman!